Life here is pretty comfortable, more so for indigenous families than for immigrants or ambitious go-getters (Google "Jantelov" for more on this), but as with all the Nordic nations, it remains largely free of armed conflict, extreme poverty, natural disasters and Jeremy Kyle. Sweden and Finland's historic bids to become NATO members have hit a roadblock after top Turkish officials took a tough stance against a Nordic expansion of the transatlantic . Another way to look at it is sibling rivalry and family feuds. If you do decide to move there, don't expect scintillating conversation. Nonaligned up until now, Finland and Sweden last weekend announced plans to abandon that position and join NATO in the wake of Russia's bloody invasion of Ukraine. So what are other stereotypes people have about Scandinavians? The party is widely expected to back membership, giving an overwhelming majority of MPs in favour. When it comes to Finland, Turkey's opposition to it joining NATO appears to be more by association the country has a far smaller Kurdish population than Sweden, but its foreign policy tends to be similar. Enough of the unblinking idolatry of all things knitted, bearded, rye bread-based and licorice-laced. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Sweden too is ramping up its military budget and expects to reach the target by 2028. As a result, productivity is worryingly sluggish. (Short Animated Documentary) History Matters 1.51M subscribers Subscribe 69K 2.2M views 1 year ago Sometimes countries break up, like Britain and Ireland,. As we reported in a fact-check comparing Sweden with Italy, Spain and the . Swedens ruling Social Democrats have been split on the issue and are holding an internal consultation, with a decision also due on Sunday. Norwegians feel a deep connection with the landscape and take any opportunity to experience it, like this couple cross-country skiing. The idea is that because Sweden's horrific death rates followed its refusal to lock down its society as strictly as other countries, the latter must have been the cause of the former. In other places, people prefer not to touch at all. Nordic countries like Finland and Norway may regularly come out on top of world happiness indexes for wellbeing year-on-year - but new research shows the happiness is far from universal. The Vikings are often perceived as ultraviolent people whose ruthless ways terrorized all of Northern Europe during the Middle Ages. Some people believe Norwegians are just more competitive than their neighbors. If you can cope with this, and the cost, and the cold (both metaphorical and inter-personal), then by all means join me in my adopted hyggelige home. Icelands epic landscapes draw hundreds of thousands of visitors each year. In other places, no words are exchanged at all and its not intended, or perceived as, rude. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. I remember Sweden and Norway hard defending us danes when Trump said he wanted to buy Greenland. gender equality, freedom of information). Last Wednesday in Stockholm, the prime ministers of Sweden and Finland, countries where neutrality and military non-alliance are deeply woven into their cultures, shocked the world by issuing a. Schools rein in higher achievers for the sake of the less gifted; "elite" is a dirty word; displays of success, ambition or wealth are frowned upon. Your email address will not be published. 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It's all over a tiny group of islands, believe it or not. Answer (1 of 26): In my generation, almost everyone I know have worked either in Denmark or in Norway. VideoAt the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Covid origin likely China lab incident - FBI chief, Ukraine war casts shadow over India's G20 ambitions, Blackpink lead top stars back on the road in Asia, India anti-corruption crusader fighting to clear his name, Exploring the rigging claims in Nigeria's elections, 'Wales is in England' gaffe sparks TikToker's trip, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. How can they afford all those expensively foraged meals and hand-knitted woollens? For example when the US came and made that whole ASAP Rocky bullshit, the Danish media was all over the place, defending Sweden and condemning America. Sometimes non-Scandinavians mix up countries in the region. It came as Russia's invasion of Ukraine intensified today after a night of . I understand why Norway and Denmark hates us but Finland? People in some countries welcome people with a conversation. In the US, they'd have an intervention.". From this perspective, the Scandinavian countries would, therefore, include only Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Photograph: Alamy. If, as a headline in this paper once claimed, it is "the most successful society the world has ever seen", why aren't more of you dreaming of "a little place" in Ume? Russia has repeatedly warned Finland and Sweden against joining Nato, saying the serious military and political consequences of such a move would oblige it to take retaliatory steps to restore military balance by strengthening its defences in the Baltic, including by deploying nuclear weapons. Having an arrogant and failed policy on Corona, Being extremly far left politically for many years, etc. The countries established diplomatic relations in 1905, after the dissolution of the union.. Sweden has an embassy in Oslo and 14 consulates, in lesund, Arendal, Bergen, Bod, Hamar, Hammerfest, Kirkenes, Mandal, Moss, Narvik . People in some countries offer kisses on the cheek. This fact surprises many people from all around the world and makes them wonder "why". Sweden has a population of 10 million people, nearly nine out of 10 of whom live in urban areas. Its health service is buckling too. Turkey says Sweden and Finland have ties with "terrorist" groups a reference to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) and the People's Protection Units (YPG). Vladimir Putin sees Nato not as a defensive alliance but as a threat to Russias security. What began as a seemingly harmless comment regarding home dcor devolved into a heated exchange of increasingly hostile tweets between the Danes and their Swedish counterparts: Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed, and the hurling of insults came to an end. Got plenty of them. The people who live in neighboring countries around the world, like in Scandinavia, often have many similarities. Christian started Scandinavia Facts to explore his family heritage, raise awareness of one of his academic interests as a professor, and civilly promote the region. to learn more. Mostly Sunni Muslim, they have their own unique language and customs. I am very fond of the Finns, a most pragmatic, redoubtable people with a Sahara-dry sense of humour. Crucially, they all perform well in terms of government openness and effectiveness. However, Turkey says that Sweden has supported PKK members and provides protection for them. Norway and Finland have some of the lowest COVID-19 death rates in the world. I pointed out that Sweden was one of the most bloodthirsty nations on earth for much of the last millennium. No, that was Italy under Mussolini. Simple, the Danes also have the highest level of private debt in the world (four times as much as the Italians, to put it into context; enough to warrant a warning from the IMF), while more than half of them admit to using the black market to obtain goods and services. Between 1814, when Norway gained independence, and 1821, Norway's state flag was simply the Danish flag with the symbolic Norwegian lion in the top left corner. A spokesman for the Sweden Democrats (currently at an all-time high of close to 10% in the polls) insisted to me that immigrants were "more prone to violence". Putin has demanded that NATO stop expanding and in his May 9 speech blamed the West for the war. Here's how that would work, 30,000 and 40,000 people are estimated to have died. Various Kurdish groups have pushed for Kurdish autonomy and statehood over the decades, some peacefully and some, like the PKK, through violence. No but seriously what did we do? NATO expansion is something it has previously cited to justify invading Ukraine, also a NATO partner. Yet historical disagreements, and international conflict, can create rifts between neighboring people groups, even ones their current citizens didnt directly experience. Some Norwegians, like some Danes and Swedes, have a certain perspective about visitors and non-natives who have relocated to Norway. It is unclear how he would respond if he considers the alliances expansion in northern Europe an existential danger. Then in 1387, the three countries joined together through a unification agreement called the Kalmar Union. In 2021, Sweden's government announced an increase in funding for Kurdish groups in Syria to $376 million by 2023, saying it remained an "active partner" to Syria's Kurds and that its funds were aimed at "strengthening resilience, human security and freedom from violence" and improving "human rights, gender equality and democratic development.". It has been hundreds of years since the Danes and Swedes last took up arms against each other, and just about the only modern-day hostilities between them involve words, attitudes, and even volleys of tweets during an epic social media dust-up. If you want a serious answer to the question. "Turkey is not happy about the fact that they suddenly become good guys just because they came in handy against ISIS.". [5]. If Scandinavia was the Dursley family, Denmark would be Dudley. It wasnt until 1536, that a new alliance between Norway and Denmark was formed. Sweden, however, remained the regional outlier for more than a century. Will Ferrell hates Norway because They sell way more electric cars per capita than the United States. Well, they do have high levels of trust and social cohesion, and do very nicely from industrial pork products, but according to the OECD they also work fewer hours per year than most of the rest of the world. But to say that Danes and Swedes hate each other today would be a gross overstatement despite the occasional war of words and disparaging remarks. Scandinavia Flags: Compare Designs and Meanings. Rent is much more expensive in Norway than Sweden, up to 32% higher in fact. Among the dissenters in the Monday vote were some of the party's furthest-right members, including Reps . Their residents have a healthy pride in their people, history, and social priorities. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images, Finns having a quiet drink Photograph: Martti Kainulainen/REX, A car burning after riots in Stockholm in 2013. Among the coldest of rivalries of countries that hate each other is between Argentina and the United Kingdom. According to the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment rankings (Pisa), Denmark's schools lag behind even the UK's. Please see the About page for details. There remains a disturbing Islamophobic sub-subculture in Norway. Turkey's president says he may oppose. Other widely accepted stereotypes of Swedes depict them as: Sweden has a fascinating culture. I'm afraid I have to set you straight on Danish television too. The end of the Kalmar Union also marked the beginning of a tumultuous period that saw Denmark and Sweden engage in numerous bloody conflicts with the aim of achieving supremacy over the strategically important Baltic Sea region. Others disagree and hold that Norwegians raise their children the same as Danes and Swedes do. i know with the danish people it's often just jokes. But do some people living today still have resentment and hold negative views about a neighboring people group due to conflicts that happened centuries ago? In 1808 Tzar Alexander I of Russia was forced by Napoleon to attack Sweden, ruled by Gustav IV Adolf, as part of Napoleon's plan to take over Europe. For Hakki Akil, a former Turkish ambassador, the Turkish perspective is "very simple. In other regional conflicts around the world, present-day racial, political, and social tensions can be traced back thousands of years, not just hundreds like in Scandinavia. They're not big on chat. "Turkey basically classifies all Kurdish groups it strongly dislikes as PKK front organizations. The NATO average was estimated at 1.6% last year. Even ahead of the US. Instead, Scandinavia was comprised of competing chieftains and warlords, some more prominent than others, who vied for land, power, and wealth. Why Did Finland Leave Sweden? Yet each country wants to beat the others, for example, in the medal count at the Winter Olympics. Finland, Denmark, Sweden and New Zealand all have high GDP per capita, low inequality rates, literacy rates close to 100 %, and prioritise human right issues (e.g. [1]. For instance, non-Scandinavians observe many similarities between Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes, especially when it comes to appearance, politics, and lifestyle. The people of Iceland are fascinating. Finnish Member of Parliament Paivi Rasanen and . They may have different policies on border control. The claim that Denmark is the EU's largest oil exporter was based on out-of-date information and has been removed. It's likely. Finland, for its part, has made clear that it will join NATO when Sweden does, and no sooner. Television in Denmark is rubbish, Finnish men like a drink and Sweden is not exactly a model of democracy. Still, NATO may face gridlock for some time if Erdogan is not satisfied with Sweden and Finland's responses to his demands. The myriad successes of the Nordic countries are no miracle, they were born of a combination of Lutheran modesty, peasant parsimony, geographical determinism and ruthless pragmatism ("The Russians are attacking? The Swedes, on the other hand, if asked to describe the good people of Denmark, might depict the Danes as happy-go-lucky people who, for better or worse, wear their emotions on their sleeves. Plus, if you are planning on having children here, parents here get 480 days of paid parental leave so share between them! Enough with the impractical minimalist interiors. Sweden says the PKK and PYD are different but Turkey says they are one and the same. to learn more. Also Do Swedes Actually Like Surstromming? Finland has also banned the PKK as a terrorist organization, but joined Sweden and other EU countries in halting weapons sales to Turkey in 2019 over Ankara's military action against Kurdish groups in Syria. In fact, Sweden was one of the first countries to designate the group as a terrorist organization in 1984. (Also see Do Danes and Swedes Hate Each Other?). Like the dealer who never touches his own supply, those dirty frackers the Norwegians boast of using only renewable energy sources, all the while amassing the world's largest sovereign wealth fund selling fossil fuels to the rest of us. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg talks speaks during a joint press with Sweden and Finland's Foreign ministers after their meeting at the Nato headquarters in Brussels on January 24, 2022 . The reasons why are complicated, emotional and steeped in decades ofoftenviolent history. After all, for several centuries, these two nations wanted nothing more than to eradicate the other, and this level of animosity does not dissolve away completely. I have contributed to the relentless Tetris shower of print columns on the wonders of Scandinavia myself over the years but now I say: enough! "The Russian invasion of Ukraine and the fact that the war now focuses on parts of that country that are adjacent to Turkey and of profound strategic and even historic interest to Ankara has reminded many Turks of the value of membership in NATO.". Yet, it is sometimes the case that neighboring countries, though their people can be similar, have more conflict with each other, not less. (Also see Why Do Doors Open Outward in Sweden?). Most people are really in denial.". Photo by Eline Van Breda. This follows some unfortunate incidents involving Finnish students the burning of Porvoo cathedral by an 18-year-old in 2006; the Jokela shootings (another disgruntled 18-year-old) in 2007, and the shooting of 10 more students by a peer in 2008 which led some to speculate whether Finnish schools were quite as wonderful as their reputation would have us believe. These countries have a shared history, and like many other places in the world, they have experienced periods of unity and disunity. In 1520, the execution of 80 members of Swedish nobility (an event that came to be known as the Stockholm Bloodbath) under the direction of then-leader of the union Kristian II of Denmark set the stage for Sweden to break away from the Kalmar Union and set off on its own path of sovereign independence under Swedish ruler Gustav Vasa. Although the report particularly focuses on Nordic countries, it does compare some of the data to that recorded elsewhere. The Nordic countries share a history that goes back hundreds of years. It said that research shows lack of social contact was a greater problem among Nordic men than women. So you know, only we can criticize each other, and if other countries try it, they need to shut up. Is social media causing childhood depression? Sweden has about 10% higher purchasing power than Norway, even though you can earn more with a career in Norway. Since 1984, between 30,000 and 40,000 people are estimated to have died in fighting between the PKK and Turkish government, according to Crisis Group. "But at least the trains run on time!" In fact, the only way they can communicate with each other is through the neutral language of English, and quite often, it is through this non-native tongue that their wars of words are waged. (The other day, I turned up at my local A&E to be told that I had to make an appointment, which I can't help feeling rather misunderstands the nature of the service.) A report authored by the Nordic Council of Ministers and the Happiness Research Institute in Copenhagen aims to provide a more nuanced picture of life in the Nordic nations - suggesting their reputations as utopias for happiness are masking significant problems for some parts of the population, especially young people. The Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, has said they would be welcomed with open arms if they do apply and that the accession process would be quick, although formal ratification by all the alliances members could take several months. Their big new drama series, Arvingerne (The Legacy, when it comes to BBC4 later this year) is stunning, but the reality of prime-time Danish TV is day-to-day, wall-to-wall reruns of 15-year-old episodes of Midsomer Murders and documentaries on pig welfare. In the old nationalistic writings Sweden has always been portrayed as cartoonishly evil entity. A positive decision would then be presented to parliament for approval early next week. In his book Petromania, journalist Simon Stre warns that the powerful oil lobby is "isolating us and making the country asocial". That includes many non-PKK Kurdish entities and organizations in and from Turkey itself, but also the Western-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Syria and a number of Iraqi Kurdish groups as well.". It might not seem like there is a big difference between the 2 Scandinavian countries whereas to the land, use and its outlook, but there are a . This level only worsened in the age bracket of 80 or above - a group more affected by issues like illness. Join the Allies!"). Their interconnected history binds them to one another in a way that no two other nations share. Norwegians love their country and many of its citizens believe it is better than other nations, though in a non-hateful way. According to The Explorer, Norway has long been at the forefront in regards to Electric Vehicles: "My suspicion is that Turkey, eventually, especially if it can extract a few concessions here and there from the Western powers and its NATO allies, will not ultimately seek to block Finland and Sweden from joining the organization," the Arab Gulf States Institute's Ibish said. If Scandinavia was the Weasley family, Sweden would be Percy. A statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry Friday voiced concern about what it described as efforts by the United States and some of its allies to "drag" Finland and Sweden into NATO and. Yes there has always been a strong anti-Swedish bias in Finnish nationalism since Swedish influences have been very strong in our society and for that reason the early Finnish nationalist saw Sweden as their main opponent. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are each part of the region of Northern Europe known as Scandinavia. Ankara says that the SDC is dominated by PKK terrorists. When Finland and Sweden announced their interest in joining NATO, the two Nordic states were expected to be swiftly accepted as members of the defense alliance. Why, asks one expert, does everybody think the Nordic region is a utopia? It found that young women consistently reported feeling depressed more than young men did. to learn more. The top eight adjectives they chose were: envious, stiff, industrious, nature loving, quiet, honest, dishonest, xenophobic. And distancing yourself from identities close to you is a natural part of that. Finlands president, prime minister and senior cabinet ministers will meet on Sunday to make a formal decision on submitting an application. Whether it is Denmark's happiness, its restaurants, or TV dramas; Sweden's gender equality, crime novels and retail giants; Finland's schools; Norway's oil wealth and weird songs about foxes;. So you know, only we can criticize each other, and if other countries try it, they need to shut up. Take the Danes, for instance. Norway's strong social security net, which includes generous parental leave policies, is a key reason the country of just over 5 million people is consistently rated one of the best places in the world to live. Though 2013 saw a record number of asylum applications to Norway, it granted asylum to fewer than half of them (around 5,000 people), a third of the number that less wealthy Sweden admits (Sweden accepted over 9,000 from Syria alone). The Treaty of Copenhagen, signed in 1660, signaled Swedens re-entry into a union with Norway and Denmark. However, what is often overlooked is that in addition to their raids against foreign people in faraway places like the British Isles and France, the Vikings also waged war against each other. link to 5 Great Places To Stay in Iceland. And since people far away might not understand the difference, it needs to be marked more thoroughly. It was part of Sweden for 600 years, and the cultures are similar, a minority of Finns speak Swedish, surely they are Swedish? DeSantis won't say he's running. He blames Nato for blocking his takeover of Ukraine and has demanded Nato troops be withdrawn from eastern Europe. Sweden and Finland are set formally to end decades of neutrality and join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), in a historic breakthrough for the alliance that deals a blow to Russian. Somehow, though, the government still managed to find 2m to fund a two-year tax-scandal investigation largely concerned, as far as I can make out, with the sexual orientation of the prime minister's husband, Stephen Kinnock. Effectively a one-party state albeit supported by a couple of shadowy industrialist families for much of the 20th century, "neutral" Sweden (one of the world largest arms exporters) continues to thrive economically thanks to its distinctive brand of totalitarian modernism, which curbs freedoms, suppresses dissent in the name of consensus, and seems hell-bent on severing the bonds between wife and husband, children and parents, and elderly on their children. to learn more. As of 2022, NATO has expanded to let in three former Soviet states and all of the former Warsaw Pact countries. From the military perspective, the addition of Finlands and Swedens armed forces would represent a major boost to Natos assets in northern Europe, filling a hole in the alliances defences by doubling the length of its border with Russia and improving security and stability in the Baltic region. And while previous governments have controlled the spending of oil revenues, the new bunch are threatening a splurge which many warn could lead to full-blown Dutch disease. However, they shared one monarch and had a single foreign policy run by the Swedish Ministry of Foreign . References:[1] Source[2] Source[3] Source. Generally, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden have a strong regional connection, which is marked by a strong economy, shared social values, and several land and water-use agreements. Questions about disunity, and even hatred, seem relatively out of place in the region of Scandinavia, because its collectively known as the happiest place in the world. The Swedes are, he says, "highly adept at insulating themselves from each other". Russia has threatened its close Arctic neighbours Sweden and Finland with 'military consequences' if they join NATO. An indigenous minority of around 100,000 people spread over the northern parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia, the Sami have traditionally lived off reindeer herding and fishing. Countries all around the world have different traditions and attitudes when it comes to receiving visitors and welcoming people who have relocated to their homeland. With its tarnished crown jewel, Nokia, devoured by Microsoft, Finland's hitherto robust economy is more dependent than ever on selling paper mostly I was told, to Russian porn barons. Swedens opposition to Nato membership has been more ideological. Social media, in particular, has given endless opportunities for people to form like-minded communities and discuss important issues. 3: UK Vs Argentina. Erdoan says Turkey may accept Finland into Nato without Sweden, Turkey condemns burning of Quran during far-right protest in Sweden, Turkey pushes back vote on Sweden and Finlands Nato accession, Turkey summons Swedish ambassador over Erdoan effigy, Swedish court blocks extradition of journalist sought by Turkey in Nato deal, Finland and Sweden call on Hungary and Turkey to ratify Nato applications, Erdoan warns Turkey could still block Finland and Swedens accession to Nato, Erdoan gains from lifting Sweden and Finland Nato veto with US fighter jet promise, Putin issues fresh warning to Finland and Sweden on installing Nato infrastructure. The report notes that in Finland, which ranked as the happiest world country in. Now modern historians have done pretty good job demolishing these old myths but unfortunately most people don't read history books so they mindlessly parrot these old myths. Turkish Armed Forces | Anadolu Agency | Getty Images. 11 Really Good Reasons Why You Should Visit land, https://www.hofstede-insights.com/product/compare-countries/, http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Culture_Map_2017_conclusive.png, http://www.fallintofinland.com/culture/how-to-communicate-with-a-finn/, http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/mondays_papers_mp_absences_athletes_drinking_biathlon_bronze_norovirus_hunt/9469182, https://www.infopankki.fi/en/living-in-finland/finnish-and-swedish/finnish-online. Others believe that Erdogan ultimately will not block Sweden and Finland's NATO memberships, but instead is seeking to improve his waning domestic popularity. Their leaders may have different policies as well. Numbers vary according to scholarly interpretation, but by some accounts, the Danes and Swedes have gone to war an astonishing 30 times since the 15th century (this is near twice the number of hostilities between England and France). 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